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Ohh Noooo, Somebodys comparing the Veyron to the Ultimate Aero again, Absolutley Appauling!!

Oh no, somebody\'s comparing that Ultimate Aero to Veyron again... Disgrace!

\"If you’re going to criticize something first knows what you’re talking about\"

Yeah you might want to take your own advice, its not 3mph bacause of \"Superior engineering\" its only 3mph faster because of 2 reasons, Gearing, and room, Thats all, Bugatti had a circle, SSC had a 2-3 mile straight, where you know you actually run out of room unlike with a circle, big difference, for you really think with a better Cd and more power, its going to loose in Mph? wow. anyhoo, of course its gonna be better engineered, they have ben working on it for somewhat like 10years, not too mention it costs 3 times as mch at $1.5M, so you better have a better enginered car for that price, another thing, awd has a big advantage in the launch, and weight has nothing to do woth top speed.

Ps: Veyron runs the Slalom in 68.0mph, SSC...73.1Mph.....

Did I just read someone post \"The Veyron is only fast on paper[/quote]?? And the reason being is because the Ultimate Aero runs the 1/4 in 9.9@144 vs. the Bugatti Veyrons 10.2@143? Yes, the correct 1/4 time for the Veyron is 10.2 not 10.3. (0-60: Veyron – 2.46 / Aero – 2.78) And the fact that the Ultimate Aero is like 1000lbs lighter w/ more HP just goes farther on to prove how great the Bugatti Veyron actually is. Oh and with all that extra power and much lower weight it could only manage to run 3mph faster top speed. It’s called > Superior engineering

. The moral of the story is that if you’re going to criticize something first knows what you’re talking about and for the love of God use better analogizes!

@the race: you're right. Top Gear is an entertaining show, and sometimes they are a bit boring. Fact is that, although they are often drifting away from the core subject I really enjoy watching them and Clarkson as well as Hammond are true car enthusiasts

@georg: well you probably right:) I just missed that part, and partly wanted to believe that F1 could be just for the glimpse of second faster than miighty Veyron. It is simple as looking on pure stats, where Veyron has an advantage on 0-60. Although I tended to believe that because of it's weight it would not be so easy, besides F1 does not have a launch control and only pussies use it:P (just kidding)

@ barto & georg top gear is fake most of the times...is turning into an entertain show based on cars...and the new series will be crap as hell..i saw a video in you tube with top gear guys who turned some cars in houses...that is becoming boring..

Had to pop out to powder my nose.... One final point, and more relevant to this thread, is that on a long, and empty, straight highway the GT3 would 'eventually' catch up to a GTR or 997 turbo and would certainly pass most zippy accelerinsanemobiles (read atom, caterham, etc) including those damn Evo's and Yank pick-up tanks.

On a circuit I don't expect to beat that GTR, Z01 or even a well driven 997 turbo but I won't be too far behind, and, in the real world of everyday motoring with corners, potholes, caravans and cameras, the GT3 is plenty fast enough and does everything it says on the can.

You may have guessed that I like the GT3... a lot.

In my opinion it is the 60 - 200kph+ acceleration range that is most important in a high performance car, not the 0 - 60kph. Most circuits have 1st or 2nd gear corners leading into their main straights as a test of power and acceleration. You just can't argue with raw hp and torque and when combined with 4wd it is a convincing advantage.

Of course the driver's skill in manipulating that power is also important. Smooth, fast gearchanges, optimum line and entry speed through the corner and maintaining traction are fundamental elements to acheiving a good lap time and here the driver's role is as critical as the machinery and conditions.

I can testify that the GTRs, Z01 and Z06's are nearly always quicker round a circuit than a 997 GT3/1 except perhaps for short, twisty tracks. I do however find that the GT3 has (in some cases) more'stamina'in that reduced tyre wear, extended brake performance and sheer bullet proof engine construction often sees the GT3 out on track long after the competition has retired for a spot of R&R.

As for real world performance I can also bear annoying witness to being blown off by a Yank pick-up, a modded Evo and even a 'good ol'mustang GT500 in an out an out drag race in recent weeks. Makes me want a GT2..... almost.

@barto1022

it is widely known that the topgear race between the Veyron and McLaren F1 was a fake race... Hamster himself claimed that he did not use lunch controll and simple floored the throttle as the race started... TopGear used that trick to let the "race" look a little bit more interesting...with lunch controll the Veyron would simple would have run away from start.

I think it is important figure of accelaration over the short distance. It can give you an advantage on a short technical tracks like Tsukuba. However it is not the only measurment that should be taken into account. There was a famous race between McLaren F1 and Veyron, prestented in Top Gear. There you can see that to classify the car as fast you have to allow more stats comparison than just short distance acc. What truly can be a measurment of speed of a car is only a lap time. Another Top Gear reference will be an Enzo time and Zonda F (my favourite), where as we know is quite significant difference, although Enzo is a bit quicker on short distances. So it ends on a quote; it's not about how powerful car you've got, it's about how this car use this power

This is a very interesting scenario. strip out the 0-100mph and then see what happens. Real street racing always takes place between 80mph and 180mph--after you've got through the traffic--it's a rolling start. what really matters in a street race is the 100-180mph performance. most of the "quick cars" are left on the pavement watching the real men disappear into the distance

Exactly. I think 0-60mph(0-100km/h) is the stupidest test for a sports car capable of 200mph.
How often on a racetrack are you doing 0-60mph? Once at the start and you hardly ever drop below 50mph the other 20 laps.

Look at the Bugatti Veyron and SSC Ultimate Aero. The Veyron hits 60mph in only 2.6s while it takes the Aero 2.8s yet it only takes the Aero 9.9s to do the quarter mile and it takes the Veyron 10.3s.

The Veyron is one of those cars that seems fast on paper, but when you consider that most races never get below 50mph then high speed acceleration is what matters, and many cars, Veyron, GT-R, are only good off the line.

i think the 2nd gear is underrated...it does a great work for great acceleration..u also change to 3rd gear when u arrive at a nother speed...for example 145 kmh...with full thortle u got to change gear and to pull with final gear 6th in to the limit of your thortle...thats a good car...who works good with minimal gears and with max gears too.

I drive a small displacement turbo engine... my car pulls strong from 80mph in 6. gear... strong enough to leave most automatic car´s behind even with more power...
None of you guys living outside Germany and the near of a Autobahn have any fundamental knowlege about high speed driving specialy sleep stream racing on the Autobahn... and NO doing some miles abouve your nation speed limit does not realy count as experience...

I am pretty sure in my 23years of driving I did more miles north of 100mph than all non German user on this page together..

Too many cars are geared for impressive 0-60mph/0-100kph times (to impress the stat fanboys) while at the same time are geared too tall in the upper gears to impress CAFE environmental types.

Closer ratios are better for track times where 0-whatever times aren't really important and top speed is rarely reached.

With turbo cars, the problem can be worse if the turbo is stuck in an upper gear with little boost. On the highway, imagine a turbo/manual car is in top gear going 80mph. If the driver doesn't downshift into a low enough gear and just floors it, he isn't going anywhere while the n/a automatic sedan will downshift and pull away. Put them on a dragstrip or race circuit and the turbo will leave the sedan for dead.

also the times for 0 km/h - 160 km/h - 0 km/h bring surprising results

Some American cars seem to lose out in 0-100 km/h tests because of 1st and 2nd gear ratios that are suited for optimal 0-60 (0-97 km/h) acceleration.

0-60 mph and 0-100 km/h figures are great when it comes to selling cars but for road racing - you only start once and 1st / 2nd gear acceleration counts only in slow corners.

I do believe that distance numbers like 1/4 mile and 1000m can show the real quickness of the car that's why we need 0-1000m (1km) figures in fastestestlap

just look at the ferrari italia test it reached the 1km at a 270 km/h trap speed!